The lease will confirm if the front driveway is entirely belonging to the flat and/or whether others have a right to use it for example. My other half was killed in an RTA in 2012 and the mortgage was paid off a few months later. My parents have never registered their property with Land Registry. Comment by Comment by Many thanks for your reply, most helpful. it was sold once to the big estate in 1967 by his descendants and we purchased it from them. Our title register number is WA610900, Rhys - the register refers to it as being filed so I imagine your solicitor got a copy before you bought the title. Comment by If you are looking for specifics then please use our contact form https://www.gov.uk/guidance/coronavirus-covid-19-impact-on-hm-land-registrys-services#contacting-hm-land-registry, Comment by on 11 November 2019. Comment by In the 1980’s my ex and I purchased our leasehold house. on 17 October 2018. Does that means there are no copies of actual details of the covenant held in land registry . I’m not aware that parish councillors complete such matters but I’m sure they’ll tell you if they don’t. posted on Most lenders will have done that at some stage after 2003 but much depends on what they had on file to start with. posted on Thank you for your kind comment. on 16 August 2020. Would you give me the date of the DS1 as this will impact on how we deal with any application? Comment by on 20 November 2020. He has stated that it has been submitted to HM Land Registry a few days aho. posted on I have just paid £30 for another form , I need to see if the bank's name is off the title information, I am sick and tired of paying for forms that I don't even know are right, I thought by phoning the land registry they would at least give me the right form, all they want is money for no service. Thank you Gillian. ianflowers Wayne - depends on which one is correct. You're welcome. As a 70 year old woman, it left me mentally drained. Victoria Sellers have applied to LR for possessory title and for it to be expedited. AdamH Alistair posted on The alternative can be idemnity insurance but that all depends on the view of the buyer/their solicitor as to whther they accept that as being sufficient to negate the risk. We finished paying off our mortgage in December and were told by the building society that they would deal with the discharge and forward our deeds in 6 weeks. Comment by Keir It is some kind of confusing and I found it a little complicated. Can you help me understand what is going on please? posted on Regards Tony, Comment by Our solicitors have obviously explained all the risk to us but our estate agents are saying we have nothing to worry about and it shouldn't stop us going forward. Thank you for your reply. Do we need to apply to suggest that a mistake has been made on the Land Registry? Nobody had mentioned deeds to me before and I know nothing about them. We are both in our late seventies and this is causing us considerable stress. Mr JJ O'Reilly Paul McMillan They are packed with information relating to ownership, tenure, purchase price, mortgages, date of purchase, easements and covenants. My mother passed away 4 years ago and my father continued to live in the annexe but now has advanced alzheimers disease and has moved into full-time residential care. I am learning about how the Land Registry is set up to handle customer enquiries, those from the general public, not from professional bodies. on 29 April 2020. and also states that original documents will be scanned and destroyed. I am hoping to have my unregistered property registered for the first time. posted on I ask as you refer to a 'sherriff' and I am not familiar with that position operating in such matters in England or Wales. posted on Rhys Sam Miller on 01 July 2018. Unfortunately, the digital record doesn't outline the parcel of land that forms the parchment conveyance and our solicitor didn’t check before handing over all the paperwork to us. By memory mortgage was settled around 1975 mum has dementia but thankfully still living at home at 94, power of attorney is in place so what would the process be to register the property and is this sufficient for selling when needed. Comment by on 11 June 2019, John - you cna call the support team on 03000060411 or use our online contact form to email https://help.landregistry.gov.uk/app/contactus_general/?utm_medium=newsletter&utm_source=govuk&utm_campaign=death_contact_page_to_contact_form&utm_content=web_page, Comment by AdamH Pat - It really depends on whether your property is registered with us as referred to in the blog - if it is you can check to see if we hold copies of any of the deeds but it is likely that most will have been returned when the property was first registered. posted on posted on Whilst that might be the bank I suspect it may well be your Uncle. on 26 May 2020, Julia - we do keep a variety of records from such applications. Thanks, Comment by We are just on the verge of exchanging however I have now been told there is a second lease registered to the property title. on 16 April 2018, Hugh - it reads as if the issue has been raised with us already so it would be wrong to try and consider it here as this is a blog rather than a forum. (Unlike this page, the advice on the web pages with those forms isn't clear for someone like me who simply wants the paperwork with their name on it as owner(s) of their property. Comment by posted on Generally, we only have the original title deeds when land or property is registered for the first time, as we need them to prepare the register. The wills cost over £600 when they made them and were deemed by another solicitor to be of good quality when she checked them out. Our road was built in the 1970s using land purchased from the back gardens of the houses that back onto our road, and a neighbour believes that there was a convenant at that time which specifically prevented those houses from having vehicle access to our road via our back gardens. AdamH on 06 November 2018. posted on thanks, Comment by Chris - correct. on 17 April 2019. Comment by There is a Deed of Variation mentioned in the leasehold title and also in the lease extension. See https://hmlandregistry.blog.gov.uk/2018/02/27/drawing-the-line-on-boundaries/#comments, Comment by Thank you for the advice Adam, you’ve been really helpful. (the online title plan appears to be a 1/1250 scale map). Louise Norman The deed was made between (seller) and (buyers). Comment by on 15 July 2018. I am trying to find out who is responsible for a fence but nothing is showing on the title plan - just the boundary of the property. Bhai Stewart - I am sorry you have been left a bit confused. Chris Where a title has been handed down each time the reliance tends to be on the oldest conveyance(s) and then probate thereafter as each inheritor dies. I bought a new build house in December 2018 and I'm still waiting for the title to the property. HM Land Registry is a non-ministerial department. on 04 September 2018. Not us. How do i search for information on the land the house was built on if there are no deeds existing ? I want them for historical reasons, Comment by Our solicitor has advised that If we try and track them down then this is high risk, as this could have repercussions (they may demand money, refuse could be dead with greedy family etc). The new provider wrote to me 2016 requesting these documents but I have kept them. I think some of our customers may have a similarly false impression though. Comment by But until a legal deed is completed the actual legal ownership has not changed. posted on Ashley B A google plan or aerial imagery will show you what's on the ground but that does not always match what is registered/owned for example. I was told that they were sent to me in Jan 2018 following dematerialisation, however I never received the deeds, I asked them how and by who they were sent so I could look into them not being delivered, they did not give me this information and told me it is no longer necessary for deeds and documentation. There is also a 'filed' deed re the Transfer by the developer to you in 1995 and you can apply for a copy of that by post https://www.gov.uk/get-information-about-property-and-land/copies-of-deeds on 13 February 2019. Firms who say they hold nothing as all dematerialised are lazy as they should seek that pack. posted on Cash purchase. posted on on 21 February 2018. posted on The PG1 and forms FR1/DL do provide a guide as to what is required but they cannot be simplified to the cover such a complex scenario as you now face. We found out after the land searches have been done that half of the property is still in the previous owners name. The Title makes reference to the Property register and Charges Register with the words (in italics) :"Note: Copy in the certificate". Please see the links to guidance on GOV.UK - https://www.gov.uk/search?q=land+charges&filter_organisations%5B%5D=land-registry and also https://bit.ly/2r4bA1z . If a buyer can't read their lease then it may cause issues depending on their legal advice as well as their own view. Thank you for this helpful blog, Frank. posted on When you go to Solictor and both you and your partner sign them do you receive a copy? posted on The owner would show as the registered proprietor in the B Proprietorship register, Comment by posted on b) Inflexibility by Land Registry - if you dont have the deeds we wont give you 'Absolute Title' I have 2 questions: 1) How much discount did you get on this? on 15 July 2020, Sam - Solicitors Regulation Authority https://www.sra.org.uk/, Comment by How long will it take to register the property so I can view the Title in my name online? If I were to contact the developer and they were to say (via email or letter) that they have no interest in getting the land registered back to them, would this be sufficient in your view to remove the "risks" or would I need to fill in some documentation with Land Registry? posted on Donât include personal or financial information like your National Insurance number or credit card details. on 15 August 2020. paul Please note the Practice Guide is written for legal professionals and may therefore contain some unfamiliar terms. The solicitors are telling us that they have informed Land Registry that a sale is pending. AdamH posted on posted on The only hard copies are held by the person holding the deeds ( the neighbour). Those are the sorts of things we have been doing without much success to date. There's no specific mention of a lease in the deeds. I am disgusted that nobody seems to know where they are! posted on posted on Best case scenario is a few weeks between receipt and consideration but the devil will be in the detail, Comment by Comment by He is willing to help but does not want to be stressed by the situation as he has a terminal illness and months to live. Once confirmed you’d send us a copy of that letter of confirmation along with an application to update the register My elderly mother lives in a leasehold flat in Bushey, Herts. What happens if paper deeds have different information to what you have on file? on 12 March 2018. We need to sell my mothers property to pay for nursing home fees and we have registered power of attorney for property and wealth. Do we not have the right to request they post them out to us via courier (we would pay for this service)? on 17 February 2020, Michele - form OC1 is used to check the register/title plan. The key with all such things is what you have in writing as well as what you remember. Simon Curtis Comment by I had a joint mortgage . Hopefully it will be completed soon, Comment by posted on Also, in the Form OC2, there is a section for documents referred to in the title register and those not. I had a copy of the official title in my cabinet therefore they took a copy of this. Comment by AdamH Marie-Louise - there’s no fee. on 12 June 2018. My Post code is TW4 7PR. Many, if they had one, referred to these as the paper deeds. Would this information be detailed in the Deeds for my property? Comment by on 20 October 2019. Ian Moore posted on The conveyancing company isn’t being very helpful they’ve stopped returning my emails now! posted on They have told her that she needs to produce a blue paper that was provided in 1972. Frank Ramsay Helen - you very much need to rely on your conveyancer here as to next steps and advice on what to do. There are other options in this area as referred to here: https://www.gov.uk/your-property-boundaries#legalboundaries . posted on We haven't come across any issues yet and are hoping to receive a completion date this week. John on 24 March 2019, Dear Land Registry. I think only once have original documents been returned!! Alistair posted on How long might this process take? My current solicitor (I'm looking to sell) says that the Land Registry boundary is not definitive. posted on The most important benefit of registration is the state backed guarantee of title which provides for compensation to be paid to an innocent person who suffers a financial loss because of a mistake in the register (for example, a mistake due to fraud). Comment by on 24 September 2020. So the registered details hold more weight if accurate based on the Transfer submitted and registered. I am also assuming that the Land Registry entry will record my name in Section B (Proprietorship Register' as 'Title Absolute' as it currently does for the previous owners. posted on If I’m right in what you are saying the actual owner of the leases should have a copy in the event that the purchaser has lost their copy or in my case being supplied with one that cannot be read. How can we get round this without a title deed. on 04 March 2019. on 14 September 2020, Sorry I don’t know if I’m in the right place here to ask a question. Who do those deeds belong too. Our Practice Guide 1 explains how to apply for first registration and includes guidance as to the deeds/documents we would require. Comment by posted on Elise Can you clarify that first please? on 01 June 2018. Comment by FENSA and Oil/has/electrical certificates Clearly something was 'wrong' but that invariably means the question is one of cause and effect of that error. My question is, am i left with a house that I cant sell in the future, if mortgage providers are this concerned ? Anthony Howarth posted on Solicitors are being a little vague and saying they are sorting it. My aged parents bought their house circa 1955. Now that we have come to sell, we've just found out (20 years on) that the leasehold still remains in the previous owners' names. Adam when I fill the form out I can't see how I would pay via direct debit as I don't own a cheque book. AdamH Please see our guidance on GOV.UK - https://www.gov.uk/get-information-about-property-and-land/copies-of-deeds . In my experience deeds are very rarely handed over in such scenarios by the seller. on 29 October 2020. As we stand, he thinks the defect in the title is because the freehold deeds haven't been registered and are not to be found either- maybe lost or destroyed. on 09 June 2020, Hi Everyone, (a) to grant with the dwelling-house all such easements and rights over other property, so far as the landlord is capable of granting them ….. Anne Feltham on 14 November 2019. Will i still be able to get the deeds or will they have been destroyed as not claimed? Comment by Leela - As Adam mentioned in their response to your previous enquiries, AP1 one is the form to use if you are seeking to register a right against a registered title or alter a title in some other way. posted on I am not aware if registered so will apply for details. Should they use your name and the property address? Gursharan - if he has submitted an application then he should have a title number and case reference to quote. Conveyance of Common Law land registered under the Registration of Deeds Act is complicated and labour intensive. posted on Richard Denise - the blog article explains how we don’t keep the deeds. I have this already and this is where it states there are 'filed Restrictive Covenants', so it won't help getting another copy. posted on on 18 September 2019. we spoke around 2 mouths ago Regarding the easements on my title deed for the property i have just purchased, i currently have a solicitor looking it to this for me, but they have raised the question that my name or my wife's name is not showing on the Title register as yet. posted on Hi, how do i know if HM registry actually hold copies of my deeds ( as in all of them?) Not only that but my deeds, which I thought were secure, may well have disappeared in the post. Vanessa Such covenants, if they exist, are usually referred to in the C Charges Register. 37 and the conveyance back in 1987 says that the path is at No 39 and it should in fact be No 35! If you are unable to locate the deeds our Practice Guide 2 explains what will be required to register it https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/first-registration-of-title-where-deeds-have-been-lost-or-destroyed, Comment by Comment by For example you mention your great grandfather so if the last deed, perhaps a Conveyance, shows him to have purchased the properties in his sole name then the legal ownership lies with his estate. The deeds were so interesting, they were like a big scroll with wax seals and the names of all the owners dating from wene the house was first built in 1865 and the names were all related until I bought it. They were not. posted on posted on This is holding up the exchange of contracts and we need to move asap! Apologies if this has been asked and answered. posted on on 30 April 2018. on 21 October 2019, Lisa Law Min - they should speak to their conveyancer as to what is required in law. And if his interest is not registered then his involvement/consent would not be needed from a registration perspective, Comment by posted on What can we do? Why does a property not have a Title Number ? on 20 February 2018. on 19 September 2018. posted on If the mortgage was taken out pre-2000 then the lender might have had a copy of the registered title in the form of a charge certificate - sometimes when they say they sent the deeds to us they mean that document. Her property was co-owned with one of her son (my uncle) who we don't get on with. AdamH posted on Such a claim would in my experience be a matter of law and not a registration issue, Comment by posted on H Or do we need to update the titles prior to the sale? posted on We don't hold original deeds/documents and this blog post explains how they are returned to the applicant after first registration. Hi Adam, I wonder if you can help. The plan is to replace said house which currently doesn't have rear access to our road, with 8 new flats (18 bedrooms in total), parking for 9 cars and vehicular access via our road in a place where it isn't safe (narrow road, very close to a tight corner). Alistair - I'm afraid we can't advise you on such matters and very much something your solicitor is for. on 20 September 2020, Keith - we don’t deal with such matters so it’s very much legal advice you need here as to what rights you have. It's half of my garden surrounded by neighbours gardens so within all the fences. Thanks. If Qs remain or new ones crop up then post them here and I’ll do my best to help, Comment by on 23 June 2020. on 26 February 2019. I am trying to sell my house which is a free hold but there is a ground rent of £4 a year in place on the land which my house has been built on. posted on Comment by Obviously I did have them originally but have lost or mislaid them, an action which is, of course, not recommended but sadly something that does happen. I have almost 50 years of evidence of possession, the house was built in the 1960's, including original conveyancing docs from 1971 , to mortgage redemption in 1997, plus Bills going back 30+ years. The relevant change in 2002 was that paper Land and Charge Certificates were made obsolete and were not required to be lodged on applications to change the register. That priority period will usually prevent any other application submitted after the OS1 and before your own application being registered until your's has been completed. AdamH And it also gives you a 30 day priority period within which to submit your application. Moreover, we don't like the idea of solicitors holding deeds, in case that company were to dissolve, one day. As a residents management company we hold paper documents confirming owners will abide by the covenants of the close. on 17 August 2020. posted on This is usually the solicitor or conveyancer acting on behalf of the buyer. The 'official copy' is admissible (for example, in court) to the same extent as the original, i.e. posted on Anyone can confirm those details online or by post as the blog article explains, Comment by Still Confused posted on Comment by Before I worked here, I wondered if HM Land Registry was full of clerical staff pushing piles of paperwork around, like a scene from Terry Gilliam’s ‘Brazil’. You’d need to read the register and any ‘filed’ deeds as appropriate to understand what rights (if any) are registered, Comment by posted on on 18 October 2019. on 10 November 2020. Login Contact HM Land Registry . Sorry if my question seems obvious but does the freehold information file title override the leasehold or are both applicable? posted on There was a lease and a freehold and it turns out that our previous solicitor failed to change the leasehold title at land registry. AdamH on 19 August 2020, Norma - Santander bought Abbey National so they are in effect one and the same. If you are concerned that they are not then you should make an application to update the register(s) using form AP1. posted on We have a certificate of lawfulness - how do we go about our next steps to gain deeds to the property or to get a loan against the property or anything similar for the future please ? Sandra N. 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